The Pilot and Ceylon Place, Greenwich

Thirty five years ago, my father was outside the Pilot in Greenwich. Located on the peninsular which now has the O2 Dome at the northern tip, the Pilot is one of the very few original buildings left after the recent and ongoing development of the Greenwich peninsula.

The Pilot pub in 1985:

Pilot

Last week I returned to the Pilot to take a comparison photo and for a beer. Although redecorated, and no longer a free house, the pub looks very much the same.

Pilot

The Pilot is at the end of a short terrace of houses, originally going by the name of Ceylon Place.

Pilot

The location of the Pilot, and the terrace is shown in the following map, marked by the red oval. The O2 Dome is at the top of the peninsula (Map © OpenStreetMap contributors).

Pilot

From the above map, it is hard to appreciate the level of development on the peninsula. The O2 Dome, or Millennium Dome as it was, kick started development of the area, and after a use was finally found for the dome as a major London concert venue, development on the peninsula has been a permanent activity, with apartment towers, offices and hotels of strange design rising from this once industrial landscape.

The Pilot and the terrace at Ceylon Place have are remarkable history, dating back to the early development of this part of Greenwich. The level, and type of change over the last couple of hundred years has been such that the pub and terrace have been surrounded by incredibly different landscapes.

We can explore these by looking at maps. The above map extract shows the area now dominated by the O2 Dome, and the associated developments, however, going back to 1951, and this was a very industrialised place. The Pilot and terrace is highlighted by the red oval in the following map extract (Following maps: ‘Reproduced with the permission of the National Library of Scotland’:

Pilot

There are a few other terraces, in addition to Ceylon Place, however the majority of the land is occupied by Gas Works, Tar Works, Electricity Generation, a Steel Works, and many other smaller industrial sites. The following map extract is an enlargement of the area around the Pilot and Ceylon Place, which are in the centre of the map.

Pilot

The pub and terrace face onto River Way which leads down to the Thames. A cooling pond occupies much of the space directly opposite. A railway runs to the west, Behind the terrace is a steel works.

Much of the development of the peninsular was during the later part of the 19th and early 20th century. If we go back to 1893, we can see the start of the industrialisation of the peninsular.

The Pilot pub and Ceylon Place can be seen, with a longer terrace that stretched to the east. Much of the immediate surroundings are open space, and the railway has not yet arrived. The area to the south are the Greenwich Marshes.

Pilot

Looking at an extract from the above map, we can see the terrace in 1893, with the Pilot (labelled P.H.) at the western end of the terrace as it still is today.

Pilot

At the eastern end of the terrace, there is a large building called East Lodge with open space leading down to the river and bays on either side – presumably bay windows to provide a good view of the Thames.

The majority of the terrace, and East Lodge would disappear in the coming years. By the 1913 Ordnance Survey map, East Lodge had gone. and by 1939 much of the terrace had also been lost, leaving only Ceylon Place we see today, and the Pilot pub.

In all this time, the Pilot has looked out over a very different landscape. Once surrounded by open space and marsh land, the Pilot was then surrounded by some of the most polluting industries to be found in London, then as industry in the area closed, the pub looked out on a derelict landscape.

Today, the Pilot looks out on yet another very different landscape. A ten minute walk from the O2 Dome, in the middle of a green space, and in the process of being surrounded by tower blocks of ever more outlandish design.

The Pilot and the terrace date from 1801. A plaque on the front of the pub to the upper left of the main entrance confirms the date, the name Ceylon Place and New East Greenwich which was the name given to the development, as it was expected to form the basis of a larger development.

The main body of the pub is original, however, as will be seen when comparing my father’s photo, and my photo below, a smaller extension to the right has been added. This now provides accommodation, so if you want to stay on the Greenwich Peninsular, there is an option with a pub attached.

Pilot

The London Metropolitan Archives Collage collection has a photo of the Pilot and terrace dating from 1979. The Pilot looks the same as in my father’s photo, with the same pub sign, however look closely at the terrace of houses and you will see three of these have their window and door bricked up. The 1970s and 80s were the time when industry in the area was in significant decline, and it is surprising that the terrace has survived to this day.

Pilot

Image credit: London Metropolitan Archives, City of London: catalogue ref: SC_PHL_02_0976_79_5000

The street in front of the pub and terrace now ends in a dead end, rather than running down to the causeway that ran into the Thames. Today, blocks of apartments now separate the Pilot and terrace from the river that for much of their time, must have been a significant influence on the lives of those who lived in the houses and drank in the pub.

Pilot

We can get a good idea of life in the terrace and pub by looking at old newspaper reports. When first built, the rear of the terrace looked out onto the Greenwich Marshes and a maze of ditches draining into the Thames, however in July 1857, the Kentish Mercury reported that:

“The inhabitants of Ceylon-place, East Greenwich complain of the very offensive state of the ditch at the back of their houses. They inform me that this ditch, like all other ditches on the Marshes, was formerly flushed out at every tide, but since Mr Wheatley has lately stopped up a sluice at the entrance to the ditch. The water is, therefore, become stagnant, and is certainly in an offensive state, and thereby causing the nuisance complained of”.

There were the day to day events that would have had significant personal impact, to those who lived in the terrace. On the 30th May 1840:

“POOR MAN’S LOSS – On Saturday evening last, as a poor labouring man was going home, after work, he lost the whole of his wages, amounting to 30s, besides some papers which, to the owner, are of consequence. The finder of the documents would be doing an act of great kindness by forwarding the same to No. 3, Ceylon Place, Greenwich”.

There was the type of crime common when drink was involved. In March 1903 the Woolwich Gazette reported that:

“Frederick Boos, a foreign seaman, of s.s. Hendon, was charged on Thursday at Greenwich  with assaulting a waterman, named Russell Lewis, of 6, Ceylon Place, East Greenwich. The victims head was bandaged and he said he was suffering from several bad cuts, said the prisoner hit him several times without any provocation. Boos alleged that the prosecutor had been making false statements about him and that he (Boos) was drunk at the time – Two months hard labour”.

The victim, Russell Lewis is recorded as being a waterman of Ceylon Place. Checking the census data reveals that this was a common occupation for those living in the terrace in the 19th century. In the 1871 census, there were several watermen, and watermen’s apprentices among the occupants of several of the houses.

Another mention of a Waterman living at Ceylon Place is from the Kentish Mercury on the 3rd April 1885: “A PUGILISTIC WATERMAN – Charles Watkins, waterman, of 8 Ceylon-place, East Greenwich, was charged on summons of assaulting another waterman named Richard Preddy. The complainant said he was sitting on a seat at the Anchor and Hope Wharf, waiting for a ship to come up the river. He heard footsteps and saw Mr Watkins, who pulled off his coat and wanted him to fight; he told him to put on his coat, when the defendant struck him in the face, and then they both fell over the seat”.

Charles Watkins was fined 20 shillings with 2 shillings costs for the attack.

The majority of the other inhabitants were recorded as being labourers. One, a Mrs Elizabeth Elliott, widow, aged 74 was on the Parish Poor Relief. This was a very working class terrace.

There were other professions, perhaps unexpected in such an industrial area. In 1901, a resident of Ceylon Place was up before the Lord Mayor:

“THE SERIOUS CHARGE AGAINST A GREENWICH MAN – At the Mansion House on Thursday last week, Charles Rayner, aged 23, described as a music-hall artiste of Ceylon-place, Greenwich was again before the Lord Mayor on the charge of being concerned with another man in stealing £10 from the Falstaff Restaurant, Eastcheap”.

Publican’s were in danger of prosecution if they continued to sell alcohol to those already drunk, and in July 1908, in an article entitled The Peril of the Publican, it was reported that:

“Mary Ann Millington of the Pilot public-house, Ceylon-place, East Greenwich, was summoned for selling intoxicating liquor to a drunken person, and for permitting drunkenness”.

Mary Ann Millington was fined 40 shillings.

When they were living in the terrace, Charles Watkins and Charles Rayner, would have looked out on a rapidly industrialising area, but they would have still been very familiar with the last of the fields and marshes on the peninsular, and the causeway down to the river at the end of the longer terrace would have probably been used by many of the watermen of Ceylon Place.

Looking north from the terrace, the view would have been of cooling ponds and gas works. Today the view is of a park.

Pilot

And replacing the electricity generating station, and steel works are now rows of apartment buildings, which also block off the direct access to the river that the watermen of Ceylon Place formerly enjoyed.

Pilot

At the eastern end of the terrace. an old, painted sign provides a faded view of the original name of the terrace.

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The view of the terrace hidden behind trees on the walk down from the northern tip of the peninsula:

Pilot

The park is now established, but all along the eastern edge of the peninsula, building is continuing and the park is fenced off from numerous building sites. The following photo is the view looking north from the same position as the above photo. Tall buildings can be seen in the distance, to the east of the O2 Dome, and the building sites to the right are fenced off, so many more tall apartment buildings will soon overlook Ceylon Place and the Pilot pub.

Pilot

The Pilot is a really lovely pub, with an open terrace at the rear which was perfect on a warm August afternoon.

The Pilot and Ceylon Place have been here for over 200 years. They were:

  • Built when much of the Greenwich Peninsula was still field and marsh
  • They saw the building off, and were surrounded by some of the most polluting industries in London
  • They saw the decline of these industries and the derelict state of the much of the peninsula
  • The Millennium Dome came to the end of the peninsula
  • They are now being surrounded by towers of apartment buildings, but with an open space providing a view to the north

I suspect one of the watermen, or a worker in the industries on the peninsula would never have guessed what the place would look like today, and likewise, we probably have no idea what the peninsula will be like in one or two hundred years time, but I hope the Pilot and the Ceylon Place terrace will still be there to see how this part of London develops.

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24 thoughts on “The Pilot and Ceylon Place, Greenwich

  1. MARY Mills

    Oh – Mr /s London Inheritance, I have written and written and written about that terrace! Have your searches found nothing I have done? It was me got them listed in 1998(?). The pub is so altered as to be unlistable. I published a booklet called ‘The Jetty’ and also a major academky article about the mill (the cooling pond is a relic of the mill ponds) they were built for in London’s Industrial Archaeology No.17. And (advert) I have a proper book in the process of going off to Amazon.
    Two things – I think ‘The Pilot’ is William Pitt ‘The Pilot who weathered the Storm’ – partly about Ceylon. East Lodge is interesting, I think it was rebuilt and was at one time a yacht club (and again later when the present Greenwich Yacht Club were in the steel works canteen). Of major importance though is when the boiler of Richard Trevithick’s boiler blew up here in 1803 – and accident which is said to have changed the history of the steam engine . Could go on for hours. Complete detailed site analysis any time. Peace and Love Mary

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  2. MARY Mills

    – oh – and ps – you missed the ‘New East Greenwich’ plaque on the pub. Developers were here in 1801 too.

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  3. Frank Flaherty

    The Pilot is a smashing pub, and handy if you’re visiting the O2 and wish to avoid the over-priced horror contained therein.
    Don’t tell everybody about it.. oh, too late!

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  4. Peter Holford

    Always interesting – thank you. It is self-evident that the local environment has improved beyond what the old residents may have imagined but why are tower blocks that form a wall along the river allowed to cut off what was always there for everyone? It says a lot about the values of our society.

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  5. Paul

    Whilst your father’s photograph clearly depicts this as a free house in 1985, I wonder if it had previously been a Youngs tied house ?

    The plaque to the left of the door in the 1985 photograph looks very like the Youngs’ Ram emblem.

    As always, a fascinating Sunday morning read.

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  6. Lori Dalgleish

    Fascinating. I particularly liked the focus on the different views that visitors to the Pilot pub would have looked out on over the years……marshes, smokey small industries, dereliction, then expensive looking tower blocks. Spot which is the non organic alien development !

    Thank you for your research and sharing.So little must exist in London that myself and other older Londoners would recognise anymore.

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  7. MARY Mills

    I ought to shut up -sorry. Can’t resist it though. I don’t think it was ever a Young’s Pub. Will see what I can find out. It is actually now about three times the size inside as it was in 1975! and it has a garden.
    The road to the river was cut by the New Millennium Experience Co in 1999. They wanted all traces of the past removed from the area -hence there is a hill where the mill ponds were. They were really angry when we got Ceylon Place listed (oldest work place related cottages .. etc etc) and I had to put up with abuse from the landscape designer. There was a water feature on the wall, but it didn’t work. The cottages at the time of the Blur video were full of would be Britartists from Goldsmiths (squatting ??).
    The industries around it were not small – largest gas works (arguably) in the world. Major power station at the end. Behind the pub huge structural steel works, Coalite plant, Coal Research Centre – and a railway. Did your Dad take pictures of the railway? – from Blackheath Station to the Dome, and so they demolished it. (old tech again)

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    1. Russell

      The plaque does say ‘Youngs’ – although maybe that was simply one of the beers they sold at the time…

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    2. admin Post author

      Mary, please do not shut up – your depth of knowledge of Greenwich is fascinating and I always learn so much from your feedback. In researching the post, I did find one of your articles on Ceylon Place, with information on the mill etc, however I do not like using other peoples work and research unless I can also find the details in a map, old newspaper etc. Researchers such as yourself have done the work and should get the credit. What I will do is add a link on my post to direct readers to yours.

      Thank you for your work to get Ceylon Place listed. With everything else going on along the peninsular it is so important that something remains – far too much has been lost.

      My father did take other photos around the area, I am in the process of scanning.

      I will look out for your new book and look forward to reading. Thanks again for your feedback – David

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  8. MARY Mills

    You must be right then – but it was such an unpretentious little local with one small bar and a snug. Youngs have always been a bit special – and in Wandsworth. I suppose it had a huge lunch time trade.

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  9. MARY Mills

    I have an old – undated – picture, where the plaque is a jug which I think is Whitbreads, and I also think the 1975 picture here is a jug.
    Sorry – must go away – or I will be tempted to send you a picture of men changing their trousers outside the pub

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    1. 47 bus

      I have a late 1930s A-Z equivalent, which seems to have been owned by someone who worked for Whitbread – many (then) Whitbread pubs are marked, and the Pilot is marked, suggesting that it was (at least then) Whitbread owned.

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  10. John Fraser

    Russell is correct. The Youngs plaque would be displayed outside any Free House that sold their beers.

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  11. Malcolm

    In the 1979 Collage photo the text above the picture on the pub’s hanging sign is ‘Whitbread’. In your father’s photo the text has become ‘Free House’. So the pub must have lost its tie between 1979 and 1985.

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  12. Maggie Rea

    Since arriving in London in 1973 as a passionate heritage hunter, exploring the city became my obsession and continues. ” When you tire of London, you tire of life’.

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  13. MARY Mills

    Quickly – thank you for the kind words. The article on the Pilot and the mill in London’s Industrial Archaeology is fully footnoted with sources by the way.. The series I am doing for Greenwich Weekender – I do try and list main sources at the end but the often omit them (space!) – it will be months though before I get as far as the Pilot.

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  14. Ian Bull

    The Pilot was a Freehouse when I first visited in about 1981. In the mid 1980s Fullers tried-out an Eastwards extension of their estate and, according to the ‘London Drinker’ magazine, paid precisely £1 million for the pub, then a very high price. In the fullness of time we can see that they obtained a bargain. The ‘Gun’ on the Isle of Dogs was another success story but the ‘Tidal Basin Tavern’ and their foray into the former Woolwich Royal Naval Dockyard are projects they’d probably rather forget.
    Incidentally, there is an excellent book about the history of this area. It’s called ‘Greenwich Marsh’, ISBN: 9780953524501. It’s been followed-up by the shorter ‘Enterprise and Change on the Greenwich Peninsula’, ISBN: 9780953524556. The author of both has replied to this very topic!

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  15. Colin Cohen

    Intriguing to see that the NLS have a hand-coloured 25″ among their collection, I’ve only ever seen them in the Bodleian, I think it was only done for the 1st edn

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  16. Katie

    Some of the tenants who lived in Riverway were badly treated when the dome was being built. The developers and others wanted them out quickly for the Millenium so they could let the houses out to all the people who would be attending the party. How shortsighted and sad of those involved. One of the tenants who had lived there all his life was shoved into sheltered housing in a matter of weeks. Unforgiveable. His walls were covered in old photos of street parties after both World Wars. So sad.

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  17. Les Hearson

    Hi. I have a 1964 book entitled Riverside Taverns and Inns. The Thames Southend to kingston by G Elliot Godsave and A C Crouch (Constitutional Press) This states that the Pilot was at that time a Whitbread House.
    If you do a close up on the 1979 B&W pic in the article ‘Whitbread’ can be seen at the top of the sign confirming it was still Whitbreads at that time. By the time of your Fathers photograph of 1985 the name has been painted over in red and ‘Free House’ inserted.
    The sign is very much in Whitbreads house style of the 1950’s to 1970’s and is therefore fairly easy to identify even without the name. Many of these still survive where Whitbreads sold off pubs into the free trade with quite a few to be found on the Isle of Wight

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